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readings everyone and welcome to spacing

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out I'm Jason McClellan and I'm marina

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Ellsbury thanks so much for joining us

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later in the show we're gonna be joined

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by our friend Jeremy Korbel to talk

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about his new movies on bob lazar and

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skinwalker ranch but first we've got our

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drinks in hand so let's jump into some

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of the strange stories that have made

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we believe that all news good or bad is

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better when paired with a good beverage

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so Maureen what are you drinking today

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I'm so lame

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I was busy so I'm just drinking a the

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same way and I was drinking while

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talking with Jeremy Cabernet nothing

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wrong with that hey you know what you

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like and easy is good I understand that

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I'm lazy too I had grand plans to make

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some fancy cocktail and I guess I kind

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of did I've got a hot toddy so you know

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yeah it felt like a warm beverage

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evening so with the hot toddy

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so there we go Cheers actually Cheers

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I'm quite envious actually investigative

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reporter George Knapp with CBS affiliate

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klas in Las Vegas recently sat down with

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Lewis Elizondo to learn more about the

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UFO program Elizondo led at the Pentagon

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this program known as the advanced

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aerial threat identification program

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reportedly ran between 2007 and 2012 but

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2017 although the program officially

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Elizondo says the program continues

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operating to this day but he grew

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frustrated by the Pentagon's excessive

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secrecy regarding the UFO program so he

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resigned in 2017 before resigning

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Elizondo helped declassify some UFO

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the world by Elizondo and the newly

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and Science but many have doubted the

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authenticity of the videos questioned

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the pilots observation skills and even

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videos George Knapp asked Elizondo to

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clarify the provenance of these videos

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the department defense made the decision

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to release them through the Department

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of Defense adopts her process approved

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the release for exactly the reason why

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completely on the up-and-up

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Elizondo also commented on why he feels

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the military witness testimony is valid

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and why they don't think these objects

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glare it frustrates me because people

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say well that's just our glare

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conditions you can't out lock a radar

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onto so I'm sorry it's not atmospheric

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Pentagon's UFO study researched and/or

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the Pentagon's a chip program this year

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advanced Space Studies confirmation of

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revealed in a New York Times article

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and one of the authors of this article

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was investigative journalist

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generals pilots and government officials

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this best-selling book has been the

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basis for TV specials in the past

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story of Kane's journey while reporting

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Atlantic Ocean as planned but according

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the water at 300 miles per hour but musk

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of this demonstration mission and on top

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but not so in this one instead of steel

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asteroid belt a press release issued by

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by the end of the year our strange story

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covered on this show all the way back in

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discovered by ocean X team in 2011 this

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Falcon well researchers from Stockholm

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University think they've identified what

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Baltic Sea anomaly or if you just need a

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refresher the object at the bottom of

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ocean x team and based on these initial

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sonar images the media and members of

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object could be a crashed UFO resting on

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the seafloor but according to the UK

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the object think it's something far less

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exciting than a UFO the recent research

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that the Baltic Sea anomaly is nothing

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that process but despite these findings

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that the Baltic Sea anomaly is something

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far more mysterious the team reiterates

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proximity to the object so as the

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experienced because that is something

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but that's not really explained away by

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glacial deposits no and I think for

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away so I understand them standing by

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their assertions and and pointing out

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these you know thinks they've found in

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their own investigations yeah because we

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like actual UFOs not to say that the

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Baltic Sea anomaly is not a crashed UFO

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just like an old prop from Star Wars

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they tried to like hide somewhere and

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Pentagon's study well they weren't from

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the Pentagon study but from military

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release through proper channels got

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plenty of researchers out there

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commenting on these videos and pointing

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look at something mundane but a lot of

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people don't look at the full picture

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they don't listen to the pilots

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description they don't listen to how

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and just talking about and this isn't

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something we necessarily covered when we

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presented the story here but talking

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about you know the photo that was shown

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about the tick-tack UFO and how that

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photo was proven to be you know some

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hoax or a balloon you know a long time

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ago and that had nothing to do with the

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actual tic-tac video so people dismissed

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the video as being a fake because that

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incorrect photo was used to promote the

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video yeah and that's always unfortunate

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aspects to this and these were studied

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think you're right on emphasizing that

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you know pilots know what to look for

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and if it's something strange you know

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in their eyes they can't identify well

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it's worth looking into and so that is a

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strange video and what it is I'm not

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saying it's extraterrestrial space craft

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at this point we don't know right what

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this is right and you know there will be

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more more information coming out about

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those videos more research being done

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and more videos you know it's going to

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be an exciting year there's going to be

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a lot coming out from that organization

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so I know we talked about it you know

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it's just like people wanting the next

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next Star Wars to come out they want all

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the information now but psy we binge

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watch stuff on Netflix you know that's

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right you know we we have no patience we

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want everything right now as soon as we

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get a get a teaser of it a little bit of

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taste we want it all right now but I

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don't know guys I have no idea what's

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coming down the pike but I think lots of

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things are that will be of interest to

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us all so let's have a little patience

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and enjoy it when it comes or it [\h__\h]

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about it when it comes like usual yeah

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yeah not us but people can do that if

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they want but when it comes the time

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will be right yeah so stay tuned guys on

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that but now it's time for our interview

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with filmmaker Jeremy Korbel Jeremy we

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have you back on the show this is crazy

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I was trying to count and I have no idea

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how many times you've been on spacing

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out but I think you've been on spacing

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on something like five times now because

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we've done several different segments

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with you and little brief interviews

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here and there run-ins at events

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conferences so you've had many many many

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segments on spacing out over the years

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so welcome back to the show brother

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thanks man breaking news every time I

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say extraordinary we have to drink

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[Music]

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Cheers uh you have a website right

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what's your website extraordinary

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beliefs calm there you go all right

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brother

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well we have to jump into all sorts of

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exciting things because as always you're

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up to you a whole lot of [\h__\h] so number

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one is we're counting these down let's

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jump into patient 17 patient 17 is

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something a topic a film of yours we've

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talked about before but big news about

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that is that [\h__\h] is on Netflix now

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right that [\h__\h] is an epic it's

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extraordinary you know what I just

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watched it re watched on Netflix oh you

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watch it on Netflix that's clears I hope

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you get some residuals off of that stuff

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[\h__\h] it does propel it forward of the

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algorithm so watch it so thank you rate

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it give it a thumbs up and rate it oh

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five stars for sure

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thanks man that was a fun journey weird

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thing never thought I'd make a movie

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about that was very very difficult for

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me to decide to do it but it ended up

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being a very fascinating journey well

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for anybody who might not have heard us

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talk about patient 17 before give us a

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brief overview of what patient 17 is

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sure so doctor Roger Leir was the guy

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that was known for allegedly taking out

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alleged implants from aliens out of out

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of humans and I was something that was

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off of my radar it was outside the scope

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of my interest knowledge or even

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believability but he asked me to

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document his 17th surgery and I thought

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well I got to see a guy cut in two might

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as well do it went and did it and it was

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meeting patient 17 that really made me

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want to focus on this as a feature film

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because patient 17 was not the kind of

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person that I imagined would you know be

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having this experience very

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down-to-earth guy soft-spoken and just a

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really interesting down-to-earth guy and

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so I ended up making this film and in

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the process of making the film dr. Leir

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passed away and all the research

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everything just stopped it was a dead

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halt and I'm sitting there with now a

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friend of my patient 17 and we're like

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what the [\h__\h] was in his body you know

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and he remains the largest skeptic to

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this whole story he knows he had an

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abductive experiences like he that's not

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a debate to him it was hard for him to

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resolve that within himself within his

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church within his family but did this

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have anything to do with it this object

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and so I wanted to get it scientifically

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analyzed and prove it was a Tonka truck

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but to my absolute surprise the the one

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set of results that we got back the the

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well two sets ice topic analysis and the

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broad spectrum elemental analysis proved

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beyond a shadow of a doubt that this

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object was unique and in fact the

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results indicated that the zinc 64 was

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non-terrestrial by a huge margin by

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over 1.2% at minimum so I was thrown

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into this crazy world now of having to

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figure out I paid for the test got it

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done and and figure out is there

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anything to this and the only way were

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ever gonna know is if we can get

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multiple tests on the same object and I

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don't want to give away the film but

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there were a lot of difficulties in

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getting those types of analysis so

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that's the film it's about an alleged

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alien implant removal surgery the last

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of dr. Roger Leir who is kind of famous

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in this field of ufology and to this day

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I'm still interested to find out exactly

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what was in this man's leg and I think

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we're gonna get some answers soon so

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those been developments have there there

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have been you know that yeah were you

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were you a little bit of a spoiler but

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were you able to track down Steve yeah

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finally I think the power of film is

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that it presents a really compelling

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argument for you know people to stop

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hiding so I think that at that point I

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was able to be back in communication

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with him and say okay look if you're

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really for the truth whatever it is

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let's find out so allegedly I now have

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access back to the sample so I can

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continue doing tests extraordinary and

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that's great I want to UM one big thing

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for me and it always has been I've been

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in situations where you've had to test

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elements also that that might possibly

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be from another planet-- is using like

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reputable labs that are not totally tied

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to the UFO phenomenon I know that

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happens a lot where you have doctors and

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or people who you realized oh they're

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members of MUFON and they're really

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pushing for this alien abduction angle

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and from what I know from you from

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previous years prior is that you guys

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have been using these reputable labs

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that these people aren't you know

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abduction well besides you know the

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Steve and the general people these are

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our real labs that are testing the

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elements and coming up with unusual

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anomalous

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things is that your route that you're

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gonna go again is using these outside

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labs yeah and in fact that's really

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important and I don't think I explained

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it necessarily in the film I made sure

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it was a blind test the lab had no idea

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what they were being given it was it was

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literally just an object and then they

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give us the results

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the funny part occurred when I called

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the laboratory because what happened is

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the results are show anomalous I found

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the one individual on this planet who is

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like a extraterrestrials Inc 64

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specialists this guy wrote a paper back

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for his you know thesis paper he's now a

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medical doctor he looks at the results

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he says this is impossible that here's

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the ways the tests can be flawed let me

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explain it to you but really I think the

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lab is lying to you somebody's lying to

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you so I called the lab and I said look

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I paid a lot of money for this I want

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you to look at the results and they

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stood by the results but when he saw the

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the problem with his ink he said to me

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look that's not my problem

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that's your problem I don't know what

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you have I'm giving you an accurate

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triple washed you know zinc 60 for

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analysis and you have to deal with it so

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yeah it's very important that we

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continue down that process of blind

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tests with multiple labs because every

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machine is calibrated differently so

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their margin of error is different but

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even with the margin of error the

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standard relative deviation of this

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sample we are still off the charts for

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zinc 64 being non-terrestrial so unless

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somebody decided to fake non-terrestrial

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ality with the sample somehow you know

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it is truly anomalous so far so yeah I

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to answer your question yes we're gonna

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use reputable blind testing perfect and

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I think that's so important for for

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anybody in this field is you know

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nobody's gonna analyze and you know

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really look at your work if it is has

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that real level of bias so I appreciate

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that and I just want to say straight off

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the bat thank you

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because otherwise what are we doing

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right what are we doing I mean and the

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the issue you'll see in the film I mean

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spoiler alert but the the idea here is

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in the film I'm I have no idea who these

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people are and I start going through

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this journey there's a moment in the

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film you hear my utter shock and awe

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because I realized one of the

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individuals really drank the kool-aid

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you know somebody's supposed to be

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totally separate as you know scientific

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process I had no idea but they were a

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patient themselves you know with an

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alleged implant so you know look this is

510
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what we run into people that want to

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self validate their world theory and try

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to manipulate the data for that and

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that's the first thing I said to dr.

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Leir is I'll film it but if you are

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lying or deceiving the public in any way

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I'm gonna out you so are you sure you

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want me to film it so that this is a

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problem even within the film cuz look

519
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everybody wants to believe right

520
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everybody wants to you know to know that

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we're part of something greater that you

522
00:21:58,900 --> 00:21:56,810
know this is not all that there is that

523
00:22:00,610 --> 00:21:58,910
these things that we're seeing millions

524
00:22:02,860 --> 00:22:00,620
of people are seeing that they're

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engaging us on a meaningful level but

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the real thing is can we prove it and

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and so everybody has little ways of

528
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trying to find that out maybe this is

529
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one little way it's a fun film and you

530
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do a good job of starting it to being a

531
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beginning of the journey and going as

532
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far as you've gone to this point and

533
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it's exciting to hear that there's more

534
00:22:25,450 --> 00:22:23,840
to come there is more yeah because

535
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:25,460
you're left a documentary you can't

536
00:22:29,380 --> 00:22:27,770
control it man you got certain level and

537
00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:29,390
that was it and I'm not gonna make

538
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something up I'm not gonna lie I'm not

539
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going to sensationalize something that's

540
00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:34,130
already sensational well I'm glad you

541
00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:35,270
put it out when you did you know you

542
00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:37,700
could have kept holding off yeah so you

543
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:40,190
had some sort of maybe finish to the

544
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story if they're ever going with

545
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something like this but you know it's

546
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continuing and that's exciting so you've

547
00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:48,110
had the film available for quite a while

548
00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:49,670
and it's been been available on demand

549
00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:52,670
but exciting thing it's now on Netflix

550
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:55,460
so you know I think more people have

551
00:23:01,900 --> 00:22:58,880
fewer excuses to not see it so check out

552
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:01,910
patience 17 and give it a nice review on

553
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:05,050
Netflix that would be very kind

554
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:07,610
all right let's jump into skinwalker cuz

555
00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:09,710
skinwalker ranch is something that

556
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:14,180
Maureen and I love very much so you've

557
00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:16,250
been talking about skinwalker ranch for

558
00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:18,440
a while now something that you're diving

559
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:20,870
into pretty deep and you've got your

560
00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:22,850
hands on some pretty exciting [\h__\h] so

561
00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:24,440
tell us what you've got cooking with

562
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:26,870
skinwalker ranch yeah well this is a

563
00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:29,510
fascinating story so it actually relates

564
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:32,030
to all the recent announcement heard

565
00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:34,250
there's a lot of confusion about those

566
00:23:39,070 --> 00:23:35,660
announcements and I've tried to clarify

567
00:23:42,820 --> 00:23:39,080
those as much as I can but essentially

568
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:42,830
skinwalker ranch is a you know 480 acre

569
00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:44,930
ranch in Utah that is known to be the

570
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,720
most heavily scientifically studied

571
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:49,760
paranormal hotspot in history for lack

572
00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:51,710
of a better term it is a place of high

573
00:23:56,410 --> 00:23:54,200
activity of absolute strangeness a place

574
00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:56,420
where the world is thin to the point

575
00:24:00,370 --> 00:23:58,160
where you know we all know there was a

576
00:24:02,410 --> 00:24:00,380
billionaire named Robert Bigelow and

577
00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:02,420
he's been very involved in the UFO topic

578
00:24:06,460 --> 00:24:05,030
he initiated a group called knids the

579
00:24:07,870 --> 00:24:06,470
National Institute of Discovery Science

580
00:24:10,810 --> 00:24:07,880
and they studied the ranch

581
00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:10,820
scientifically for many years we out of

582
00:24:15,670 --> 00:24:12,920
the recent releases everybody has come

583
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:15,680
to understand that at one point Bigelow

584
00:24:19,780 --> 00:24:18,410
partnered with the DIA the Defense

585
00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:19,790
Intelligence Agency which is an

586
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,140
intelligence agency within the

587
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:23,120
Department of Defense in the Pentagon it

588
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:25,040
is the premier Intelligence Agency for

589
00:24:30,610 --> 00:24:28,370
national defense so essentially what we

590
00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:30,620
know now is that there was a joint

591
00:24:34,060 --> 00:24:32,420
program it was something you know there

592
00:24:36,250 --> 00:24:34,070
was a that was going on but it was that

593
00:24:38,110 --> 00:24:36,260
everybody was restricted by MDAs and

594
00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:38,120
also by the DEA a contract so it was a

595
00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:40,220
problem to let this out public but he

596
00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:41,870
said but what happened is that

597
00:24:46,660 --> 00:24:44,630
partnership yielded a lot of scientific

598
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:46,670
study when you get a government agency

599
00:24:50,830 --> 00:24:49,010
coming in and saying we realize that

600
00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:50,840
this is something we need to understand

601
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:52,520
gives a little bit of credibility to

602
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:54,170
what's going on there and indeed it

603
00:24:59,050 --> 00:24:56,810
should have credibility so I've been

604
00:25:01,540 --> 00:24:59,060
there a number of times now I can kind

605
00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:01,550
of freely talk about it it is a place

606
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:03,830
where George Knapp really he wrote the

607
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:06,170
book on it with dr. Colin Kelleher you

608
00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:08,570
know who was head of mids which was that

609
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:11,270
scientific group so this ranch has been

610
00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:12,890
studied for a long time but understand

611
00:25:18,190 --> 00:25:15,980
it's the entire Uintah Basin it's a hot

612
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:18,200
spot it's not just the ranch

613
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:19,610
the ranch is just the place that was

614
00:25:24,130 --> 00:25:21,650
most actively studied because it was

615
00:25:26,980 --> 00:25:24,140
contained controlled living laboratory

616
00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:26,990
and it was done both by private industry

617
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:29,270
but also now we know by government

618
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:31,730
agency so what's interesting about it

619
00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:34,250
and why I decided to make a film on it

620
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:36,560
now is because one I have very special

621
00:25:40,510 --> 00:25:38,630
access to it and have for a while and

622
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:40,520
that's because of my mentor George I

623
00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:41,810
mean he's been doing this story for so

624
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,120
long and I come across these archives

625
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:47,360
and archives of footage and documents

626
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:50,600
from when these studies were going on on

627
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:54,050
site at the time real time with the

628
00:25:59,950 --> 00:25:56,930
investigators the footage is there it's

629
00:26:02,440 --> 00:25:59,960
ridiculous and so just as best I could

630
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:02,450
pride that information from him and that

631
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:05,450
data and that footage so in my film you

632
00:26:09,790 --> 00:26:07,490
will see something it can never be

633
00:26:11,860 --> 00:26:09,800
repeated again it has never seen the

634
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:11,870
light of day and this footage will play

635
00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:14,450
a role within my film and then it will

636
00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:17,270
be up to the viewer to judge the merit

637
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,780
of those investigations but historically

638
00:26:25,330 --> 00:26:22,640
now we can look at it through a

639
00:26:27,010 --> 00:26:25,340
completely different prism the 22

640
00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:27,020
million dollars that was just released

641
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:28,940
and announced through the New York Times

642
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:31,910
in Politico this 22 million dollar black

643
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:35,390
budget funded program specifically

644
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:38,450
occurred because of skinwalker ranch

645
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:42,400
that was the entire genesis the AAT IP

646
00:26:48,370 --> 00:26:46,130
that program the new project Bluebook as

647
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,380
people say because 1969 we stopped

648
00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:50,720
studying UFOs apparently well that's not

649
00:26:57,910 --> 00:26:55,390
true not only that but the advanced a

650
00:26:59,800 --> 00:26:57,920
aerospace threat identification program

651
00:27:02,050 --> 00:26:59,810
or whatever the : of these days it's

652
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:02,060
been last it's it started a long time

653
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:05,510
ago and it continues to this day

654
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:08,630
it actually never ended and it's a it's

655
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:11,810
part of a dia program so this story is

656
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:14,810
huge and its current day so what I'm

657
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:16,730
gonna try to do is make a film that

658
00:27:21,010 --> 00:27:19,070
sheds light on the ranch the history of

659
00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:21,020
the ranch what actually occurred there

660
00:27:26,110 --> 00:27:24,020
what we did learn scientifically and why

661
00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:26,120
our government was so interested in it

662
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:28,520
and that will be the basis of the film

663
00:27:31,930 --> 00:27:31,310
and you'll be seeing footage that George

664
00:27:33,970 --> 00:27:31,940
really wanted

665
00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:33,980
put out a long time ago but he was just

666
00:27:37,419 --> 00:27:36,470
restricted and so now maybe we can get

667
00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:37,429
some of that out

668
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,820
I can't wait because obviously I've said

669
00:27:45,249 --> 00:27:42,799
a million times on camera and wherever

670
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:45,259
else anywhere that skinwalker has always

671
00:27:50,919 --> 00:27:47,330
been my white whale and the hunt for

672
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:50,929
skinwalker was or is probably one of my

673
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:55,610
absolute favorite non-fiction paranormal

674
00:28:03,909 --> 00:27:59,840
books ever and like you said it's a full

675
00:28:05,289 --> 00:28:03,919
region it's not just the ranch so I

676
00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:05,299
can't wait to see what comes out from

677
00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:08,600
this because I'm totally envious I'm I

678
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,720
would love to just pitch a tent in that

679
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:14,000
area and stay for weeks and see what

680
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:14,809
happens

681
00:28:19,619 --> 00:28:16,700
are you working with the the new owners

682
00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:19,629
at all we I have a good relationship

683
00:28:25,779 --> 00:28:24,200
with the new owners and so I don't know

684
00:28:28,659 --> 00:28:25,789
you know exactly how to answer that but

685
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:28,669
basically the the studies do continue

686
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:31,970
there's work that is continuing I think

687
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:34,700
the biggest breakthrough is after all

688
00:28:39,789 --> 00:28:37,129
these years the yuta nation it looked

689
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:39,799
it's a sovereign nation so it's like a

690
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:42,409
country within a country in order to

691
00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:45,350
film there and take footage off that has

692
00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:49,190
never been allowed ever but I think

693
00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:51,590
because of George's and dr. Kelleher's

694
00:28:58,029 --> 00:28:54,590
book we have a great relationship now

695
00:29:00,190 --> 00:28:58,039
with the tribal elders and and and even

696
00:29:02,889 --> 00:29:00,200
the the police force the the tribal

697
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,899
police force there so those stories are

698
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:05,600
being conveyed to us current day we've

699
00:29:11,769 --> 00:29:08,960
been recording and documenting the the

700
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:11,779
local stories and and evidence of what's

701
00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:14,929
going on and they allowed us permits for

702
00:29:19,629 --> 00:29:17,870
the first time in history to camp more

703
00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:19,639
emu would not like it it was pretty

704
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:22,309
freaky deaky but to kono I'd love it

705
00:29:29,139 --> 00:29:24,769
yeah yeah no you know I looked I felt I

706
00:29:32,590 --> 00:29:29,149
had zero negative experience any of the

707
00:29:35,169 --> 00:29:32,600
times I've been there however when you

708
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:35,179
talk with people who have lived in that

709
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:38,330
community for 30 plus years and have

710
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:42,230
experienced physical issues from

711
00:29:45,550 --> 00:29:44,090
engaging the phenomena which is actually

712
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:45,560
well documented the the

713
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,210
physical issues of close proximity to

714
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:49,520
you ApS and that kind of thing but it's

715
00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:52,910
I mean witnesses break into tears it's a

716
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:54,740
relief to finally be able to talk to

717
00:30:00,940 --> 00:29:58,130
somebody about it it's heavy [\h__\h] to put

718
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:00,950
it in any other way I don't know how it

719
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,980
is heavy [\h__\h] it's not a joke for the

720
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:06,320
for the people that live there it is

721
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,050
fascinating the question is what can we

722
00:30:13,090 --> 00:30:10,880
learn from it and how does it propel us

723
00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:13,100
forward and that's really what I'm

724
00:30:19,150 --> 00:30:16,790
interested in I'll tell the story but

725
00:30:21,370 --> 00:30:19,160
what I'm really looking for is you know

726
00:30:23,410 --> 00:30:21,380
some sort of advancement in our

727
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:23,420
understanding and it's a tall order and

728
00:30:27,010 --> 00:30:24,890
I don't know if we're gonna get there

729
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,020
but at least people will be exposed to

730
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:29,600
more data and that will be important

731
00:30:34,810 --> 00:30:31,490
because we can make better judgments if

732
00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:34,820
we know more about it that's huge and

733
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:37,940
I'm so excited for that you have a

734
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,910
separate website for that for your where

735
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:42,440
people can follow your progress on that

736
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:45,040
and contribute to what is that website

737
00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:50,750
hunt the skinwalker calm okay and I have

738
00:30:57,490 --> 00:30:54,620
a rough timeline when we'll start seeing

739
00:31:03,640 --> 00:30:57,500
something from you on that yeah I have a

740
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:03,650
deadline now you know two films in 2018

741
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:05,690
and they have certain release periods

742
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:07,190
that they're looking they're shooting

743
00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:08,810
for so I'm under the gun there's gonna

744
00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:11,060
be a big kind of announcement in one of

745
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:12,740
the trade magazines like variety or

746
00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:13,850
something like that where were they

747
00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:15,400
going to talk about these films I

748
00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:22,040
believe my due date is April second or

749
00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:26,990
third yeah so it's down doing a lot of

750
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,180
work now that that's out for you Wow

751
00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:31,760
yeah thank you but it gives a runway of

752
00:31:35,230 --> 00:31:33,380
a couple months because we do need to

753
00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:35,240
educate public to the point of you know

754
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:36,500
Matt everybody's heard of skinwalker

755
00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:38,450
ranch your fans and your audience and

756
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:40,790
your listeners are tuned into this stuff

757
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,290
and they listen to the New York Times

758
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:44,960
and political articles but generally

759
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:46,970
people need to be educated a little bit

760
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:48,290
before so there'll be a couple months

761
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:51,950
runway to start advertising I guess or

762
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:53,810
letting people know you know this comes

763
00:31:58,030 --> 00:31:56,330
coming out yeah that's very cool well

764
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:58,040
you know you mentioned your mentor

765
00:32:00,820 --> 00:31:59,120
George Knapp

766
00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:00,830
that's a perfect segue to start talking

767
00:32:08,049 --> 00:32:04,670
about mr. Bob Lazar and that is another

768
00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:08,059
incredible topic an incredible person

769
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:10,870
that is a subject of your work and

770
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:13,400
you've recently been posting some photos

771
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:17,240
and some audio clips with Bob so tell us

772
00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:20,660
about your bob lazar project well look

773
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:22,580
it's a dream come true I mean if you

774
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:24,770
know from our past conversations the

775
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:27,170
whole reason why I got interested in

776
00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:28,730
this field to begin with was hearing

777
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:31,070
George on the radio with Bob Lazar and

778
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:32,900
hearing him describe the propulsion

779
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:36,830
systems so over the years I've always

780
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:39,050
been available to Bob you know to do

781
00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:43,010
this you know and he's a friend but he's

782
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:45,080
been reluctant to stir the pot any

783
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:47,030
further because it has caused so much

784
00:32:52,299 --> 00:32:49,610
hell in his life and it's really hard to

785
00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:52,309
convey that to people you have to

786
00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:54,700
understand it from a personal standpoint

787
00:33:01,270 --> 00:32:57,740
nothing good has ever come - Bob from

788
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:01,280
the UFO experience for from what he said

789
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:06,740
it's it's really apparent if you spend

790
00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:10,070
time with him so I am very excited that

791
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:13,640
he is entrusting me the only thing he

792
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:15,980
said you know would the film the only

793
00:33:22,510 --> 00:33:19,760
restriction is don't make [\h__\h] up right

794
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,520
so he wants to tell the truth he wants

795
00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:24,320
to say it as it happened he wants to

796
00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:26,540
clarify it and to say this is what

797
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:28,550
happened to me take it or leave it if

798
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:29,809
you don't believe it

799
00:33:34,810 --> 00:33:32,120
pass it on and be gone I mean that's his

800
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:34,820
attitude but with twisting and prodding

801
00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:37,130
you know I kind of got him you know to

802
00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:39,350
the point where he is he seemed pissed

803
00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:43,400
enough about how people have completely

804
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:46,220
lied about what he said completely

805
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:49,460
twisted his words that he wants to lay

806
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:52,850
it down one last time thirty years later

807
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:56,480
now I will say that in this experience

808
00:34:01,900 --> 00:33:59,210
I'm not coming at this like oh yeah I

809
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:01,910
believe it no problem I'm digging in and

810
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Wow have I found some things that have

811
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:07,850
not been public yet that I think will

812
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:11,030
really influence the debate on whether

813
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Bob Lazar is telling the

814
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,090
Dermott so I hope to put this in the

815
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:17,639
film so yeah this is what this story is

816
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:19,139
about if anybody doesn't know Bob Lazar

817
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:21,899
is probably the reason you know the word

818
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:24,990
area 51 it was George Knapp bringing Bob

819
00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:27,990
Lazar on the news really basically to

820
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:30,899
say Bob's skin because if his story is

821
00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:33,540
true he was in a lot of trouble at the

822
00:34:39,859 --> 00:34:37,230
time and that story will be told in

823
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:39,869
intricate detail and there will be new

824
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:43,649
information that's coming out oh that's

825
00:34:50,359 --> 00:34:47,639
so exciting dude yeah I don't know I'm

826
00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:50,369
I'm really jazzed about that one and you

827
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:52,139
know I love Bob's attitude too I mean

828
00:34:58,250 --> 00:34:54,950
there's just something so refreshing

829
00:35:01,000 --> 00:34:58,260
hearing people who have an incredible

830
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,010
story to tell but aren't the type of

831
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:04,560
person who is all about preaching to you

832
00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:07,500
or forcing you to believe something he's

833
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:09,390
like like Bob Bigelow you know who said

834
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,980
I don't give a damn if you believe me or

835
00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:13,680
not this exact sentiment that he's

836
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:15,750
portraying is you know what here's my

837
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:17,070
story this is what I know

838
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:19,790
you can believe it or not I don't care

839
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:23,460
but I think that's a very very key point

840
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:25,890
is like you know we've all met Bob and

841
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:29,070
he's so down to earth that you kind of

842
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:31,530
come off saying oh [\h__\h] maybe there is

843
00:35:36,859 --> 00:35:34,050
something to what he's saying or or if

844
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:36,869
he is totally full of [\h__\h] then he's

845
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:39,180
doing a really good job of not caring

846
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:41,010
that he's lying

847
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:43,830
you know it's those kind of attitudes

848
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:45,930
that make you really think well you know

849
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:47,700
maybe there is something in a story and

850
00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:50,820
I believe this person oh not believe but

851
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,100
necessarily like I want to analyze this

852
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:55,619
more because this person is projecting

853
00:36:00,560 --> 00:35:59,010
like a possible real thing that that

854
00:36:03,099 --> 00:36:00,570
happened and they have nothing to gain

855
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:03,109
they have everything to lose yeah I

856
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:05,369
think that's great and now he's got a

857
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:09,950
cool Snowbird else I saw that picture

858
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:13,530
yesterday yeah artists online who it was

859
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:16,200
it was David Bowie Nikola Tesla Bob

860
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:17,460
Lazar in the middle I disagree I must

861
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:19,590
like oh my god it broke me got that

862
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:21,330
poured and he's like yeah airbrushed I'm

863
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,980
like give it to me so I bought it from

864
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,680
him gave it to Bob sent a photo of Bob

865
00:36:28,279 --> 00:36:26,400
whole minute and the

866
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:28,289
I flipped this [\h__\h] it was amazing but

867
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:31,049
Laureen I think a very important point

868
00:36:38,269 --> 00:36:35,730
you know you want to analyze Bob you

869
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:38,279
know first of all he's doing this for us

870
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:40,020
not not for himself

871
00:36:45,769 --> 00:36:43,049
this is abundantly clear he he doesn't

872
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:45,779
want people to have blind faith in his

873
00:36:51,049 --> 00:36:48,510
story he wants people to analyze it to

874
00:36:53,029 --> 00:36:51,059
use critical thinking and enough things

875
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:53,039
if he puts his story forward and they

876
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:55,049
line up then it's up to you to decide he

877
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,940
doesn't care the ultimately the result

878
00:37:01,339 --> 00:36:58,740
if you believe him or not he's just

879
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:01,349
trying to tell you a story a story that

880
00:37:05,059 --> 00:37:03,089
happened to him exactly like he

881
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:05,069
experienced it but he wants people to

882
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:07,619
think critically now I am pushing him

883
00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:09,720
for evidence because the deal is in

884
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:11,579
order for people to think critically we

885
00:37:15,319 --> 00:37:13,500
have to give them as much information as

886
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:15,329
we can to prove or disprove what's going

887
00:37:20,269 --> 00:37:17,940
on so that's what's been really exciting

888
00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:20,279
is uncovering some things that have been

889
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:23,579
hidden for 30 years and then being able

890
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:27,119
to bring those forward to people so that

891
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:28,770
there's a lot of intricacies to his

892
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:30,990
story I mean one of which is that you

893
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,710
know at one point you know he may or may

894
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:37,020
not have acquired some material some

895
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,960
physical evidence from you know his

896
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:41,460
experiences and if you've read a story

897
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:43,770
he said that and so that's been a topic

898
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:46,710
of hot debate is was that just something

899
00:37:52,460 --> 00:37:49,710
he said to try to defend himself or is

900
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:52,470
that real I I will tell you without

901
00:37:59,180 --> 00:37:57,000
trying to sensationalize it but you know

902
00:38:01,039 --> 00:37:59,190
my mom is my greatest critic with all my

903
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:01,049
film work you know she's like oh you're

904
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:04,490
into some crazy [\h__\h] you know and uh I

905
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:07,500
get back from a recent filming with Bob

906
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:11,250
and man do we wish I had stayed an extra

907
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:15,119
day because the moment I got back he was

908
00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:19,980
raided by the FBI at his office so we

909
00:38:25,819 --> 00:38:22,440
thought that this window of 30 years

910
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:25,829
nobody cares about his story anymore but

911
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:28,470
it appears that that is not the case and

912
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:31,260
so there's so many twists and turns this

913
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:34,260
is such a bizarre strange story and note

914
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:36,150
no charges were filed Bob did nothing

915
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,430
wrong he's the most honest sincere

916
00:38:42,259 --> 00:38:40,079
genuine like

917
00:38:45,289 --> 00:38:42,269
gentle person that I've met you know the

918
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:45,299
guy is a good guy but there seems to be

919
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:48,569
interest in these claims that he made 20

920
00:38:51,709 --> 00:38:50,430
year 25 years ago

921
00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:51,719
he stopped talking about that a long

922
00:38:57,769 --> 00:38:54,509
time ago you know but that is part of

923
00:39:00,529 --> 00:38:57,779
his story so when we're looking at this

924
00:39:02,749 --> 00:39:00,539
now through the lens of 30 years we have

925
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:02,759
the ability to see somebody who said one

926
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:06,479
thing in 1989 and then this will come

927
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:09,420
out just before 2019 and we'll be able

928
00:39:13,779 --> 00:39:11,729
to see that comparison of who that

929
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,789
person is and if you get to know Bob

930
00:39:17,959 --> 00:39:16,380
then you will get to know which I hope

931
00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:17,969
to give you through the movie then

932
00:39:23,539 --> 00:39:20,190
you'll be able to base your assessment

933
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:23,549
on his character and his and the details

934
00:39:28,489 --> 00:39:26,609
of his story rather than fabricated lies

935
00:39:31,789 --> 00:39:28,499
and people faking to be him which

936
00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:31,799
happens all the time so here's a random

937
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:34,920
question for you are you working at all

938
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:37,410
with our buddy mr. Tom DeLonge on this

939
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:42,390
Oh on with Bob yeah no no I'm not at all

940
00:39:50,299 --> 00:39:47,400
um Bob allowed Tom to do the basic story

941
00:39:52,459 --> 00:39:50,309
The Autobiography right uh but you know

942
00:39:54,140 --> 00:39:52,469
knowing knowing Bob I mean you know he

943
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,150
didn't write it you know so he's got a

944
00:39:58,969 --> 00:39:57,359
check it sure but you know and I hope

945
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,979
that does come out that but that is what

946
00:40:03,979 --> 00:40:01,680
you've heard you know that story right

947
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:03,989
and it's and it's important we want it

948
00:40:09,469 --> 00:40:07,680
out on paper but ultimately there's more

949
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:09,479
to the story and that's what a

950
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:12,209
documentary hopefully can tell no but I

951
00:40:15,979 --> 00:40:13,859
mean we all know Tom Tom's a good guys

952
00:40:16,939 --> 00:40:15,989
done some great stuff I'm really I think

953
00:40:19,099 --> 00:40:16,949
people are not giving him enough credit

954
00:40:20,689 --> 00:40:19,109
I mean he did some great things bringing

955
00:40:24,529 --> 00:40:20,699
everybody together to form this

956
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,539
symposium of people with lofty goals but

957
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,160
what have they done well they have

958
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,859
absolutely certainly got a few videos

959
00:40:33,049 --> 00:40:30,180
Declassified put them out to the public

960
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:33,059
so that is huge so we should all be

961
00:40:36,349 --> 00:40:35,579
grateful for for what tom has done yeah

962
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:36,359
I agree

963
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:39,630
yeah this is what I love about you

964
00:40:45,319 --> 00:40:42,839
Jeremy and not like give you accolades

965
00:40:48,019 --> 00:40:45,329
to many or anything but I love you I

966
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:48,029
love your saying no but I love it

967
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:51,660
because you're a trueform investigative

968
00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:52,680
journalist that

969
00:40:57,020 --> 00:40:54,809
you dig and you get the stuff and you

970
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:57,030
don't take no for an answer you know you

971
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:00,150
get to the down dirty details and I

972
00:41:03,799 --> 00:41:01,710
think that's so incredibly important

973
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,809
there's not enough people who are doing

974
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:05,520
that we do have a couple in the field

975
00:41:11,809 --> 00:41:08,960
but not a lot and so I think it's it's

976
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:11,819
such a great thing to have somebody like

977
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,780
you who you're so curious also that

978
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:17,280
you're like hey man I don't know if this

979
00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:18,839
is true or not but I'm gonna find out

980
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:20,190
and I'm gonna make sure the public knows

981
00:41:24,049 --> 00:41:21,390
and we're gonna see all this

982
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,059
unclassified or like you know secret

983
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:25,920
stuff that has never been seen before

984
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:29,250
and it's honestly a real treat for the

985
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:30,839
rest of us to be like he's done all the

986
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:32,430
groundwork and now he's given us all

987
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:34,710
this awesome material so thank you for

988
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,510
that yeah no it's great look if we

989
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,640
anything we do if we can move the needle

990
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:40,800
forward that's the reason to do

991
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:43,170
something it makes for some very awkward

992
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:45,300
moments when you know you're trying to

993
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,130
get to the bottom of something and it's

994
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:49,619
socially awkward but ultimately we're

995
00:41:54,819 --> 00:41:51,780
all here for the same thing this is a

996
00:41:57,859 --> 00:41:54,829
fascinating subject the truth to it is

997
00:42:00,500 --> 00:41:57,869
altering it's altering to our everyday

998
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:00,510
existence to our understanding we make

999
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,190
jokes about it like you know Jason

1000
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:04,260
you're talking about doing a you know a

1001
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:06,599
movie and you know about the laugh

1002
00:42:10,549 --> 00:42:08,670
factor and that has been it been an

1003
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,559
issue for a while cuz look this is a

1004
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:12,839
funny subject too we have to have humor

1005
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:15,030
about it I mean we investigate UFOs

1006
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:16,920
that's ridiculous

1007
00:42:22,579 --> 00:42:19,710
it's a it's utterly ridiculous but we do

1008
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:22,589
it because it is fascinating if we can

1009
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:25,380
get closer to the truth in any way if we

1010
00:42:29,059 --> 00:42:27,420
can do anything to move the needle for

1011
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:29,069
it that's the whole reason to do

1012
00:42:32,539 --> 00:42:31,290
anything is to get public understanding

1013
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:32,549
because it is a big story it is the

1014
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,670
biggest story and I think we're all at a

1015
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:38,099
point now where we realize there's truth

1016
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:38,640
to it

1017
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:41,579
but what is that truth and that's what

1018
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:43,859
we're trying to define all of us right

1019
00:42:48,289 --> 00:42:46,530
yeah absolutely you know I I echo what

1020
00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:48,299
Maureen said I mean I think it is your

1021
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:50,369
your curiosity that makes you such an

1022
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:52,470
effective storyteller because you're not

1023
00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:55,619
necessarily steering a story in any

1024
00:43:00,500 --> 00:42:57,390
particular direction like so many people

1025
00:43:03,799 --> 00:43:00,510
do you don't have this this this hidden

1026
00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:03,809
agenda or a motive you are a curious

1027
00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:06,230
person and you want to find those detail

1028
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,390
you want to find the truth and that

1029
00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:09,440
really comes through and your

1030
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:12,740
storytelling so yeah you know we always

1031
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:15,410
tend to you know kiss your ass a little

1032
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:18,200
bit too much I think but it's it's from

1033
00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:20,930
the heart brother so I appreciate it man

1034
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:23,840
look you know it's a nice opposition to

1035
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:26,440
the one star negative reviews about my

1036
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,450
movie so I'm sorry so those are mine all

1037
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:33,280
[Music]

1038
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:36,020
right well we talked about your movies

1039
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:37,910
won't talk anymore about them because I

1040
00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:39,290
know you're stressed enough of thinking

1041
00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:41,480
about your movies so let's talk about

1042
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:43,820
lectures I know I know you've got you

1043
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:46,609
occasionally lecture and you've got one

1044
00:43:50,050 --> 00:43:48,530
coming up in your backyard contact in

1045
00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:50,060
the desert this summer right and you'll

1046
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,670
be there again yeah yeah and you know

1047
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,040
wouldn't calm lectures man I present

1048
00:43:58,780 --> 00:43:56,960
whatever it is that that I've kind of

1049
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,790
gotten into over that year and and I'm

1050
00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:01,280
really seeking understanding and advice

1051
00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:03,980
from people when I do this presentations

1052
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:06,920
because you know look if the if the

1053
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:08,330
United States Intelligence Agency can

1054
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:10,190
send people to these events then you

1055
00:44:13,570 --> 00:44:12,170
know there's something to it so whenever

1056
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:13,580
I present I'm just trying to get

1057
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:15,500
information and kind of share it's like

1058
00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:17,450
a Sharon you know show and tell I will

1059
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:20,660
be a contact I am also very excited I

1060
00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:24,800
will be at the Utah UFO event which is a

1061
00:44:29,530 --> 00:44:27,470
very small event that has gone for a few

1062
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:29,540
years and last year there was a guy

1063
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:31,220
trying to pretend he had like some

1064
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:33,290
hidden tape from Bob Lazar and he was

1065
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:35,480
his like one go-to guy with a secret

1066
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,510
tape and it was just the Lazar tape so I

1067
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:41,119
shut I helped shut that down you know

1068
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:44,090
just stop the the ridiculousness of what

1069
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:45,230
was going on but I'll be presenting

1070
00:44:49,150 --> 00:44:47,540
there so I'm really excited for that and

1071
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:49,160
then the other one I know if you guys

1072
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:52,700
been to it but man I'm excited the it's

1073
00:44:59,920 --> 00:44:57,530
the one in Oregon McMinnville and when

1074
00:45:01,810 --> 00:44:59,930
is that I have to look at my calendar

1075
00:45:03,820 --> 00:45:01,820
can I do that I don't know look it up I

1076
00:45:05,650 --> 00:45:03,830
know it's this summer but you know

1077
00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:05,660
organs not that crazy but drive for me

1078
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:07,340
I'll come down and see you man oh it's

1079
00:45:10,450 --> 00:45:09,290
gonna be so yeah I might be like you

1080
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:10,460
I've never I've never gone to

1081
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:13,010
McMinnville but I've always kind of like

1082
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:15,260
Roswell yeah yeah it's like from Roswell

1083
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:17,330
festival Oregon like it's very like hard

1084
00:45:26,370 --> 00:45:22,200
I haven't written down Commandments I

1085
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:26,380
don't know no no it's the town yeah oh

1086
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:28,330
there's a town okay so that I'm going

1087
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:31,030
there and it says May 17th through May

1088
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:37,330
20th oh so that's gonna be totally

1089
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:39,550
exciting so yeah I'm only doing a few

1090
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:41,950
because I got to work I got to make

1091
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:44,650
these damn films but I think these are

1092
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:46,990
ones that the audience is really

1093
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:49,930
participatory so contacting does it you

1094
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:52,030
tell UFO fest and the you know

1095
00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:53,710
McMinnville one those are gonna make

1096
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,750
really interesting and also I can show

1097
00:46:00,450 --> 00:45:57,760
films at each of them so for me that's

1098
00:46:02,430 --> 00:46:00,460
exciting you know really exciting cool

1099
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:02,440
so what do you think about contact I

1100
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,460
mean I know you're speaking there you

1101
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:05,440
can't really talk bad about it but it's

1102
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:07,960
gonna be oh yeah totally different event

1103
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,370
this year right because they essentially

1104
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:11,040
took it out of the desert

1105
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:13,750
no it's still deep in the desert

1106
00:46:19,350 --> 00:46:16,330
trust me where it's being done is it's

1107
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:19,360
at a casino right I I don't really know

1108
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:20,650
it looks beautiful

1109
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:24,970
not like hippy fest in the desert you

1110
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:26,920
know so I don't know I'm not so big

1111
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:28,690
everything anyway my people should watch

1112
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:31,710
their feet man I don't know so the

1113
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,410
change is interesting man I really think

1114
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:38,800
from a presentation standpoint let's

1115
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,630
hope that it still has that community

1116
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:42,640
vibe Yeah right where everybody gets to

1117
00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:45,370
kind of share that that you know really

1118
00:46:51,450 --> 00:46:49,300
was a unique space but I think that the

1119
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:51,460
people that are coming and I think the

1120
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:53,140
fact that it is that kind of a resort

1121
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,450
kind of thing let's see how it goes now

1122
00:47:00,960 --> 00:46:58,480
I'm excited because a better place to

1123
00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:00,970
project my film so to me it's no big

1124
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:03,640
deal but it's always the people who

1125
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:05,500
cares really like I could be an

1126
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:07,870
attentive skinwalker as long as I'm with

1127
00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:10,450
the right people it's fun me you say

1128
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:11,950
that like it's a bad thing I mean that

1129
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:13,840
you're up and right there I mean that's

1130
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:22,080
my roommate wasn't so good you know he

1131
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:24,330
was like a grand man no just kidding

1132
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,700
well you know it's um I don't know

1133
00:47:30,990 --> 00:47:29,680
skinwalkers an interesting story you

1134
00:47:31,549 --> 00:47:31,000
guys you know the thing that freaked me

1135
00:47:33,439 --> 00:47:31,559
out mo

1136
00:47:35,029 --> 00:47:33,449
you know because I don't really scare

1137
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:35,039
too easy I got this weird thing where I

1138
00:47:40,429 --> 00:47:37,650
feel I'm invincible but uh there was a

1139
00:47:42,529 --> 00:47:40,439
law enforcement agent who came over and

1140
00:47:44,179 --> 00:47:42,539
he was kind of listening and checking

1141
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:44,189
the permits and whatnot and he pulled me

1142
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:47,099
aside showed me this astounding cell

1143
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:50,819
phone video I mean just wild and I said

1144
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,579
can I have that he's like nope and then

1145
00:48:00,620 --> 00:47:55,680
he goes look I know you're here and

1146
00:48:03,849 --> 00:48:00,630
you're hunting this thing goes but it

1147
00:48:07,429 --> 00:48:03,859
will hunt you back I have seen this

1148
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:07,439
happen I have seen it hurt people and he

1149
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:10,140
gave me this long warning and he was

1150
00:48:15,319 --> 00:48:12,390
saying it for the cameras and he wasn't

1151
00:48:17,959 --> 00:48:15,329
saying it to like just freak me out you

1152
00:48:20,179 --> 00:48:17,969
know he was genuinely concerned about my

1153
00:48:21,469 --> 00:48:20,189
well-being that was the freakiest thing

1154
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:21,479
because I realized that within that

1155
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:25,920
culture it is as real as at the rocks on

1156
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,380
the ground you know you got a camera

1157
00:48:33,019 --> 00:48:30,900
right he said no no okay

1158
00:48:34,489 --> 00:48:33,029
all the good stuff I don't get on camera

1159
00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:34,499
you know people tell me all the good

1160
00:48:40,099 --> 00:48:36,839
stuff I don't get on camera but you know

1161
00:48:42,019 --> 00:48:40,109
that's telling stuff man but but yeah I

1162
00:48:44,419 --> 00:48:42,029
think I think real quickly you bring up

1163
00:48:47,169 --> 00:48:44,429
a super important part and for because

1164
00:48:50,859 --> 00:48:47,179
we didn't go too deeply into what

1165
00:48:52,999 --> 00:48:50,869
skinwalker is for anybody doesn't know

1166
00:48:54,799 --> 00:48:53,009
you know it's this epicenter where all

1167
00:48:58,819 --> 00:48:54,809
this activity is happening whether it's

1168
00:49:00,199 --> 00:48:58,829
UFOs Bigfoot giant wolves and other

1169
00:49:04,009 --> 00:49:00,209
things but skinwalker

1170
00:49:07,549 --> 00:49:04,019
and skinwalkers and in the legends and

1171
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:07,559
stories are terrifying in you know I

1172
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:10,140
Jason lives in Arizona still and I lived

1173
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:12,359
there for 13 years I've heard stories

1174
00:49:16,099 --> 00:49:14,339
from countless individuals who have

1175
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,109
claimed to seen skinwalkers and

1176
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,079
sometimes this is being in the middle of

1177
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:22,079
nowhere in the desert at night and all

1178
00:49:27,319 --> 00:49:23,849
the sudden seen a skinwalker creature

1179
00:49:29,749 --> 00:49:27,329
like in between running as fast as your

1180
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:29,759
car it's moving and jumping and tearing

1181
00:49:34,459 --> 00:49:31,890
holes in your roof or whatever and it's

1182
00:49:37,999 --> 00:49:34,469
a real terrifying thing so this is

1183
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:38,009
beyond the idea of are they're friendly

1184
00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:41,670
grey aliens or are they you know bad or

1185
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:44,759
whatever else it's scary not sure what

1186
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:45,060
it is

1187
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:49,280
like skinwalkers are supposed to be evil

1188
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:54,000
creatures that are human half not in and

1189
00:49:59,330 --> 00:49:56,910
so it is a terrifying thing and what he

1190
00:50:02,060 --> 00:49:59,340
gave you a warning is is totally

1191
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:02,070
accurate that anybody going on a hunt

1192
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,410
for skinwalker should be totally aware

1193
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:06,540
of this be careful and this is the same

1194
00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:08,010
thing with the kind of demon thing be

1195
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:09,390
careful what you're getting yourself

1196
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:09,960
into

1197
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:13,260
right there's evidence yeah there's

1198
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:15,780
physical evidence of something you know

1199
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:19,760
non-human you know mutilating cattle

1200
00:50:25,180 --> 00:50:22,560
evaporating dogs into a goo I mean the

1201
00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:25,190
mo it's like you took every wild

1202
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:27,870
conceptual idea of the parallel and put

1203
00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:29,490
it into like a bag and shook it up and

1204
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:31,350
dumped it out on the ground that's what

1205
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:33,570
you got here but that the people that

1206
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:35,940
were truly and have been truly affected

1207
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:40,410
by this military people scientists that

1208
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:43,230
have had direct engagement with what we

1209
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:44,760
call the phenomena because there's no

1210
00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:47,190
better way to explain it it includes

1211
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:50,420
UFOs it can be very devastating

1212
00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:53,790
emotionally and psychologically now they

1213
00:50:57,860 --> 00:50:55,620
all tell me there's still time for me to

1214
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,870
really even be scared shitless you know

1215
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,760
so I haven't had that experience yet I'm

1216
00:51:04,070 --> 00:51:02,160
very at peace I mean look living in

1217
00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:04,080
Pioneer 10 I can walk out to the Joshua

1218
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:06,980
trees under the moonlight and it's just

1219
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:11,040
absolutely nothing around me I would

1220
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,690
probably be terrified if I experienced

1221
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:14,880
that but I but I haven't so what I'm

1222
00:51:19,850 --> 00:51:17,640
trying to focus in on is the personal

1223
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:19,860
interpersonal experiences the stories

1224
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,810
people have to tell but also looking if

1225
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:24,000
there's evidence and there's proof for

1226
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:26,310
any of this which in fact there is I

1227
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:28,890
mean it's antidote to alerts on the side

1228
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:32,790
but there's physical you know reactions

1229
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:34,650
that have occurred there at the ranch

1230
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:37,770
and outside of the ranch so yeah it's a

1231
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:40,770
deep story these are deep waters and all

1232
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:42,990
I can do is my best to present what I

1233
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:44,820
hear and what I learn and then let

1234
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:46,260
everybody else make up their mind I'm

1235
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:47,850
not gonna be able to prove definitively

1236
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:50,490
to anybody anything it's gonna be up to

1237
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:52,110
you to use your brain you know as

1238
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:54,990
anybody should so yeah it's it's pretty

1239
00:52:01,330 --> 00:51:58,330
freaky you know well stay safe

1240
00:52:03,380 --> 00:52:01,340
[Laughter]

1241
00:52:06,980 --> 00:52:03,390
yeah good

1242
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:06,990
awesome well buddy we are excited as we

1243
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:08,730
always already leave us wanting more and

1244
00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:10,950
we are super excited about all these

1245
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:13,860
projects so wish you tons of luck I know

1246
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:16,730
you're under the gun but good luck and

1247
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,470
again people can check out extraordinary

1248
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:21,960
beliefs calm correct yeah that's the

1249
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:23,700
website where you can get to everything

1250
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:25,530
from there and you know thanks again for

1251
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:27,210
having me on I mean I you know I love

1252
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:27,960
your show

1253
00:52:32,090 --> 00:52:30,690
I love you guys and just to be able to

1254
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:32,100
share this information it's like a

1255
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:34,380
pressure valve you know it's it's really

1256
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:35,910
neat to be able to talk with you guys

1257
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:38,910
about this and look with everything that

1258
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,369
I'm doing the anything I'm trying to

1259
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:42,720
bring forward I'm trying to move the

1260
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,220
needle forward I'm not gonna be able to

1261
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,440
give everybody everything they want and

1262
00:52:50,060 --> 00:52:48,540
the timeframe they want but I'm doing

1263
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:50,070
the best that I can with the tools that

1264
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:51,690
I have and I think that if everybody

1265
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:53,910
does that whatever it is that they can

1266
00:52:58,750 --> 00:52:56,610
do to contribute and be a instead of

1267
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:58,760
just a consumer to be a participant

1268
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:01,980
that's the goal we need more critical

1269
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:04,440
thinkers in this field and we need them

1270
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:07,050
working on stuff because this is an

1271
00:53:12,099 --> 00:53:09,660
interesting fascinating field so

1272
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:12,109
whatever people do if you can contribute

1273
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,850
that's the goal get everybody moving

1274
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:16,800
because this this is something that we

1275
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,650
are so close in a way to understanding

1276
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:22,800
[\h__\h] so hopefully we can we can get

1277
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,530
there soon yeah and that's a menace the

1278
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:27,240
most challenging thing for the people

1279
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:30,210
who are consumers or the people sitting

1280
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:31,980
sitting and waiting for that information

1281
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:32,990
to come forward

1282
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:35,700
patience is usually very very difficult

1283
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:38,040
and you know we've observed that

1284
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:40,350
certainly with all of the to the stars

1285
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,140
stuff and you know any other active

1286
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:45,359
developments especially in this UFO

1287
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:47,369
field you know people get really jazzed

1288
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:49,290
which they should I mean it's cool and

1289
00:53:52,820 --> 00:53:50,820
exciting when new things are happening

1290
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:52,830
actively happening right now that could

1291
00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:55,380
potentially be huge and we want the

1292
00:54:00,440 --> 00:53:57,480
information now you know we want it all

1293
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:00,450
right now but [\h__\h] takes time you know

1294
00:54:06,859 --> 00:54:03,990
and patience is so difficult but urge

1295
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:06,869
people all the time just wait you gotta

1296
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:09,359
wait it'll come yeah you guys are really

1297
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:10,740
good about that I mean you know you

1298
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:12,570
don't want to be too excitable there

1299
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,030
a lot of you know false promises and a

1300
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,040
lot of things that don't quite you know

1301
00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:20,280
pan out but within that there's always

1302
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:22,350
really important things that we're gonna

1303
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,210
miss if we're too excitable about it so

1304
00:54:29,810 --> 00:54:26,640
yeah everybody just have patience and

1305
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,820
more importantly participate that's what

1306
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:31,440
everybody should be doing to try to get

1307
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:32,940
to you know a little bit closer to the

1308
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:42,690
truth on all this as to why it was

1309
00:54:46,850 --> 00:54:44,850
extraordinary if you're excited about

1310
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,860
Jeremy's film projects we recently

1311
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:49,440
hosted an AMA with him on Facebook live

1312
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,420
where he answered questions related to

1313
00:54:56,270 --> 00:54:53,760
his upcoming films specifically the bob

1314
00:54:58,540 --> 00:54:56,280
lazar film so look for that on Facebook

1315
00:55:00,560 --> 00:54:58,550
or on the rogue planet YouTube channel

1316
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:00,570
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1339
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